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« on: February 28, 2024, 02:31:38 PM »



  It turns out that there are big differences between summer and winter blends. I looked into this because soon I'm about to head to my closest E-0% fuel supplier with jerry cans to have E-0% ready for my old carbureted bikes. But I'm going to wait until all Northwest refineries have done their swap over and delivered their summer blends to their gas stations.
 
 Essentially, winter fuel blends have a higher "Reid vapor pressure", RVP, meaning they evaporate more easily in winter to allow easier cold starting. Refineries use butane to achieve this, but butane has lower BTU.
However, summer blends have higher BTU, so they offer 3-10% better fuel economy.  Summer/winter blends differ based on geographic locations and historical temperatures, generally Pacific Northwest delivery summer blend gasolines have 2.5% more energy [BTU] capability than winter blends.
  Current 2024 summer blend delivery for purchase in the PNW no later than April 15.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2024, 04:48:11 PM »

Well, that may explain why my car indicates high 9s l/100km in the summer, but struggles to stay below 11 l/100km in the winter.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2024, 06:08:00 PM »

There are lots of things affecting gas mileage.  If you never check tire pressure it will be lower in the winter.  This means lower gas mileage.  Air is thicker....means more air resistance.  Ice and snow builds up on the vehicle...more air resistance. 

I've given up trying to find E0 gas.  I'll just do a carb and engine rebuild more often.  Maybe once every 10 years instead of once every 20.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2024, 07:26:26 PM »



  There is no  E0% gasoline easily available in Canada as of July 2023 thanks to the current federal government. Anyone who voted  for this current  ‘situation’  is responsible.  I live 12 miles from the USA where it is still available.

  I check tire pressure every 7 days. I run 42 psi.

  Air density is thicker in the winter. This causes extra wind resistance, but also higher air density  increases engine power. Drive from sea level at Kona on the big island Hawaii to Mona Kea  at  13,800 ft with invisible density, the rental car barely makes it.

  Ice and snow causes wind resistance. There are many instances in winter where there is no snow or ice on the vehicle, but fuel economy is still less.
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 1993 BMW R100GSPD
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 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2024, 05:41:57 AM »


In general I would say 42 psi is a bit high, but it depends on the tires to some degree.  I normally run around 32 to 35 on my truck.

Most folks idle their vehicles in the winter after starting, but don't do this in the summer.  This hits their gas mileage.  A good wheel alignment will also help gas mileage, but this applies year round.
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2024, 06:58:54 AM »



  I’ve run 40-42psi in my tires since I was 16. My last set of tires on my truck lasted 175,000 kms.
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 1981 Can-Am 250 MX6
 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
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 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
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 1993 BMW R100GSPD
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 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2024, 10:37:17 AM »



  I’ve run 40-42psi in my tires since I was 16. My last set of tires on my truck lasted 175,000 kms.

On my truck I run the tires at the spec pressure.  Can’t remember what it is off hand.  My tires are wearing like iron.  They are ok I guess for grip in the dry, but absolutely SH*T when there’s even a tiny bit of moisture on the road.  Slip and slide like on snot.  I can drift corners at will.  Just pray I don’t have to make any emergency manoeuvres.

I’d gladly give up some wear for better grip.  And that applies to both my summer and winter tires.  In the fall I intend to get some better snowflake tires that I’ll run all year round.  I only put on 5-10K km per year.   

Running higher pressures may give you a tiny bit of extra fuel economy but it would be very incremental and would (to my mind) reduce overall grip.  I’d rather give up a tiny bit of gasoline for better overall performance. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2024, 04:06:57 PM »



  Regardless of what tire ‘type’ you use , you gain .2%  increase in MPG for every 1 psi tire pressure. Different tire types have different levels of rolling resistance, but that ratio remains the same regardless of tire type. One may mock .2%, I do not considering the city of Vancouver has the highest gasoline prices in North America, specifically because of taxes. Yes, Inuvik probably has higher gas prices, I’m saying a place where there isn’t a 2000 mile delivery by truck for fuel.

 My 0% ethanol fuel source will confirm summer fuel delivery on Monday. Their refinery is in Western Minnesota using Alberta oil.
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 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
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 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
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 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
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 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2024, 03:46:39 PM »

  March 1st, it's confirmed that ethanol free summer blend gasoline is now available at all stations in WA State Whatcom County.
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 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
 1982 Can-Am 500 Sonic
 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
 1988 Ducati 750 Paso 750 Euro
 1972 Suzuki 750 GT ‘Kettle’
 1972 Kawasaki 750 H2
 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2024, 11:00:53 PM »

Ethanol free is available at my local Home Depot  store (Victoria) - in the lawnmower/garden tool section, comes in a 3 litre tin, for a mere $28 plus tax!  Says that it is 92 Octane and has 'preservative' in it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2024, 03:42:22 AM »

Ethanol free is available at my local Home Depot  store (Victoria) - in the lawnmower/garden tool section, comes in a 3 litre tin, for a mere $28 plus tax!  Says that it is 92 Octane and has 'preservative' in it.





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 1966 Keystone Tas 50
 1981 Can-Am 250 MX6
 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
 1982 Can-Am 500 Sonic
 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
 1988 Ducati 750 Paso 750 Euro
 1972 Suzuki 750 GT ‘Kettle’
 1972 Kawasaki 750 H2
 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2024, 03:30:54 PM »

 

  I understand many will be thinking that I go on and on over meaningless stuff, in this case the corn ethanol mandated in this restriction saddled country. But,,,,,,,,,

I carry my ethanol testing  kit with me to fuel stations. Monday I wanted to clarify a rumour of certain fuels currently 0% ethanol available as a summer blend . I can confirm today, June 1st, co-op 91, and Canco 91 are currently zero ethanol. For lawn care equipment, motorbike storage, etc, I cannot underestimate the situation. My 1991 BMW, my 1981 Laverda, my 1989 Honda RC30 and my 1982 Honda lawn mower carbs have NOT been rebuilt.
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'74 Honda CT70
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 1966 Keystone Tas 50
 1981 Can-Am 250 MX6
 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
 1982 Can-Am 500 Sonic
 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
 1988 Ducati 750 Paso 750 Euro
 1972 Suzuki 750 GT ‘Kettle’
 1972 Kawasaki 750 H2
 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
 2006 Yamaha FJR 1300
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 1972 BMW R75/2 SWB
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2024, 07:13:25 PM »

I have a 4,000 watt gas generator on my RV.  Last year I couldn't start it and I tried to take the carb off to clean it but I gave up without fixing anything.  Last week I brought the RV into a mechanic who had to pull the entire unit off in order to get the carb off.  It was completely plugged with dark green sludge...so bad that the choke butterfly would not move and the float valve was stuck shut.  You couldn't even see the jets because they were plugged and covered.  This is the result of about 12 years of using ethanol in fuel and of course not adding stabilizer for winter storage. 

I had to order a new carb for the engine.  It's scheduled to arrive June 4, and then I can re-assemble the engine and re-install it on the RV.  It's going to cost me about a grand overall, thanks to ethanol.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2024, 08:27:54 PM »



  My abhorrence for corn ethanol started back in 2002, when my Moto Guzzi V11 Sport fuel tank expanded one full inch over a winter with 10% ethanol in it., after a late summer tour of NW USA.  Research later found a multitude of issues covering many machines.
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'89 Honda RC30
'91 BMW R100GS
'08 Honda XR650L
'08 BMW R1200GS

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 1966 Keystone Tas 50
 1981 Can-Am 250 MX6
 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
 1982 Can-Am 500 Sonic
 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
 1988 Ducati 750 Paso 750 Euro
 1972 Suzuki 750 GT ‘Kettle’
 1972 Kawasaki 750 H2
 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
 2006 Yamaha FJR 1300
1972 Norton Combat Roadster 810
 1972 BMW R75/2 SWB
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2024, 08:53:01 PM »

I've made a habit of using Top grade Premium gas, usually from Chevron, along with Stabilizer when I put the bike(s) away at the end of the season.  I run the tank until almost empty, then top up with the Premium and stable.  ALWAYS start and run until very warm around Xmas/New Years to let the older gas burn off and be replaced by the stabilized fuel in the tank. So far, (knock on wood) never had any issues getting going again in the spring, even with my carbureted machines.
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