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Steve G.
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« on: July 02, 2022, 08:58:32 PM »



   Basically this is a result of new Japanese emissions standards, in preparations for Western Europe's 2025 Euro 7 emissions restrictions. Sad times ahead. Government is determined to force us into the stupid electric still birth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMyIHnUyzrQ
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2022, 04:28:24 AM »

Interesting article.  Thanks for that Steve.  But it left me with questions.  First, there is not yet any official announcement from Honda.  That would be definitive.  Second, he mentioned that bigger engines would lead to lower emissions but later he said it seems like it's the bigger bikes (with big engines) that are being cut.  Hmmm....

Maybe we'll see a 3600 cc Goldwing?  Or maybe we'll see Goldwings with trailers holding a battery bank?
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2022, 07:58:13 AM »



  I seem to remember you're a fan of this electric wave "bong hit"? I starting to trade on lithium's ultimate depletion. 2050 definitely. 2033 supply shortages rush headlong, with new land mine environmental, first nation, and other roadblocks turning a new mine green light from 4 to 12 years.
 Funny, Germany's in the midst of this virtue signaling right now, wind mills have been an utter failure, they've shut down nuclear plants, Russian LNG is about to be shut off, so now they're going back to,,,,,,,,COAL BURNING.  I'm laughing hard.
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'81 Laverda Jota Mk11 180
'89 Honda RC30
'91 BMW R100GS
'08 Honda XR650L
'08 BMW R1200GS

Previous Garage Residents
 1966 Keystone Tas 50
 1981 Can-Am 250 MX6
 1966 BSA 250 Starfire
 1972 Triumph 650 hardtail chopper
 1976 Honda 400-4 Supersport
 1982 Can-Am 500 Sonic
 1982 Suzuki SP500
 1984 Kawasaki KZ 750 L4
 1979 Honda CBX
 1988 Ducati 750 Paso 750 Euro
 1972 Suzuki 750 GT ‘Kettle’
 1972 Kawasaki 750 H2
 1993 BMW R100GSPD
 1984 Honda CR500
 1979 Honda CBX sandcast
 1975 Honda 400-4 SS
 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport
 2006 Yamaha FJR 1300
1972 Norton Combat Roadster 810
 1972 BMW R75/2 SWB
 1980 Honda CBX
 1970 Honda Trail 50 K1
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2022, 01:31:52 PM »

Your memory must be warped Steve.  Im certainly considering a PHEV for my next vehicle but not in the near future.  I think EV's are inevitable because we cannot afford to continue with GHG emissions at our current output level.  The biggest issue nowadays is a limited supply of Level 3 chargers.

Electric motorcycles suffer from limited range.  My guess is someone will come out with a hydrogen powered bike in the near future.

It's interesting what you say about lithium.   I remember people, some of them intelligent people said the same thing about oil back in the 70's.  Yet here we are using more than ever.

Germany leads the world with alternative energy generation.  Laugh all you want, but their emissions per capita are less than half of ours, and we have hardly any coal fired electrical generation in Canada.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2022, 04:31:23 AM »

Looks like Honda is focussing on small bikes.  This article is from the Globe and Mail

Honda sees opportunity for mini-motorcycles despite Canadian hurdles
MARK RICHARDSON
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Honda's line of mini-motorcycles.
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Small motorcycles and scooters are common on city roads around the world, but not so much in Canada. Here, they’ve got a few things stacked against them.

First, the weather. Most riders don’t want to bundle up to brave the cold, and in any case, two-wheelers are unsafe on snow and ice. They cannot be relied on as year-round transport.

Second, the legislation is intimidating. A motorcycle rider must have a motorcycle licence – whether you’re riding a 125-cubic-centimetre runabout or a heavyweight Harley-Davidson. In some provinces, obtaining a scooter licence is less demanding, but it’s still required.

Third, why invest in a mini-motorcycle when you can just ride an electric bicycle? There are no extra charges for registration and insurance for bicycles, there’s no licence needed, and you can use dedicated bicycle lanes or paths. Some electric bikes even look just like motorcycles.

And fourth, there’s no advantage to motorcycles in getting through city traffic, as there is in most of the rest of the world. Generally a motorized vehicle in Canada isn’t allowed to share a lane with another motorized vehicle (e-bikes for the most part are not considered motorized, but assisted), which means no passing in the same lane, which means no riding between vehicles, even if traffic is stopped. When there’s congestion, the law says motorcycles must wait in line with all the other vehicles, whatever their size and regardless of whether there’s space to pass safely.

So why is Honda Canada bothering to promote its family of five very small motorcycles for urban transportation?


The Honda Navi and Grom are part of Honda's family of five very small motorcycles for urban transportation.
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Derek Verheyen, Honda Canada’s product planning manager, says it is all about creating an interest in motorcycling, and also bolster loyalty to the Honda brand of motorcycles. It’s done a good job of this with off-road bikes, and now it want to do the same for its street bikes.

“Now we can get somebody to look at [the motorcycle] industry for the first time and say, I want to start here, work my way through, maybe go to a custom bike later or a real sport bike later in life,” he says.

The least expensive Honda street motorcycle is the Navi, which starts at $2,299 and is new to the lineup this year. It was originally designed for the Indian market, where it sold for less than $1,000, and it’s both basic and stylish. It uses a 109-cc scooter engine that produces 7.8 horsepower and is attached directly to the rear swing arm – that plastic box where the engine should be is actually a surprisingly practical locking storage box.

The made-in-Mexico Navi performs like a scooter, with a continuously variable transmission and twist-and-go throttle, but rides like a motorcycle, with a fairly tall and comfortable seat, and foot pegs to each side. The gas tank is large enough for only 3.4 litres, but that will take you more than 150 kilometres. It uses a carburetor and linked drum brakes, and top speed is about 80 kilometres an hour if the wind is behind you.

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I did not feel vulnerable riding the Navi in downtown Toronto because it was quick enough off the mark to let me get some distance at traffic lights. I certainly felt safer than when I ride a bicycle on the street. When I wanted to stop and park, I just tucked it out of the way, as I would a bicycle, though parking is free in Toronto for all motorcycles at municipal lots and at marked on-street sites.

And if traffic is stalled, it would be tempting to thread through slowly and carefully. Technically it may be illegal, and therefore not something we can recommend, but at 107 kilograms the Navi is simple to manoeuvre.


The Honda Monkey parked on a bike path along Lake Ontario in Toronto. The Monkey has a retro look, fat tires and twin shocks.
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Honda makes even smaller bikes: the $3,699 Ruckus and the new-this-year $3,299 Giorno are both scooters, with step-through space for your legs and a twist-and-go throttle. They both have 49 cc engines and differ mostly in their appearance: funky-future for the Ruckus and Euro-chic for the Giorno. I only rode the Ruckus and the little 4.3-horsepower engine was just too slow off the start for me; as well, I didn’t feel comfortable tucking in my knees so close to the handlebars.

The larger $3,949 Grom has been around for a few years and it’s pretty peppy, with a 124 cc engine and a five-speed manual transmission (up one gear from last year’s model) that will help it pass 100 kilometres an hour on a good day. It has sophisticated suspension and fuel injection and is even more fuel-conscious than the Navi, with an official consumption of 1.4 litres per 100 kilometres from its six-litre tank.

And then there’s the retro-cool Monkey bike – very similar to the Grom, but the most expensive at $5,299. Its fat tires and twin shocks soaked up the potholes and didn’t get caught in streetcar tracks. Like the Navi, it was quick enough to not be a concern in traffic, yet was still light and easy to ride.

Are these enough to tempt people away from electric bicycles and into motorcycling? Honda thinks so.

“There’s a certain nimble aspect to these motorcycles, like parking, like storage and how easy they are to care for and look after,” says Verheyen. “There’s a low cost of ownership, so you can still own a car, but also own a motorcycle.


The Honda Ruckus starts at $3,699.
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“They give you the freedom to go where you want, outside of public transit. There’s an appeal of performance [and] a feel of riding. It’s the whole appeal of the motorcycle experience.”
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I also ride a 1980 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD - Classic Plated, and a 2006 Honda Goldwing with a Daytona 2+2 sidecar

My Sweetums rides a 2019 Suzuki DR650
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2022, 12:24:36 AM »

Word on the street has never changed, the cheapest part on a Goldwing is the owner?
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2022, 04:10:07 AM »

What's the old saying?  Price is what you pay....value is what you get.
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My Sweetums rides a 2019 Suzuki DR650
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