World’s largest auction for bikes., Jan24-27,this weekend. I’m having trouble finding a live feed.

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/las-vegas-motorcycles-2024/live-feed/?utm_campaign=LV24&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=291458373&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-87Av_OOr7VWsRWkr4c6qlcnPkrEHMEMg7WQegt6GOu8zAsdO889BZ9mZRQkkWQz9lLFvhVoN-oM7mAWQBwsk_fgseBdQ&utm_content=291458373&utm_source=hs_email

Been watching for the last two days prices for British are dismal. The regular off-road machines and god-damn Monkey bikes are doing well. I am glad I did not choose to take anything down this year although some of the Norton’s have done well.
Frank

That red Mk111 Norton did $25??

The H1 and H2 Kawis are doing OK.  The Z1's not as much.

  What about that rare ‘74 Kawasaki  750 Z1. Japan only, and total production less than 1200 the whole year. They are saying $100K +++ US.

Steve, are you in Mexico?

  I
Might be,,

Los Muertos brewery and pizza

That would be a nice lift for all of the older models.  They are rare over here but there are lots in Japan.  Owners over there would be very happy.

  Was there last night. Walmart/ Costco don’t sell craft beer anymore.

An H2 750 roadracer went for $90K! :o

   It went for $85K US. Before auction costs. Dam!!!

  ‘72 Kawasaki 750 H2,,,,,,,$41,000 US!!!!!!!!

  1978 Laverda 3C Jarama. $13,300.

Apparently one of these sold for 5kus $.

As it has been for a few years now the crowd is willing to pay way too much money for not even proper motorcycles. What part of nostalgia runs this kind of thing up so high in value???
Frank

I'm not sure how to determine what  a "proper" motorcycle is or who could.

 Nostalgia is a strange animal. It's a 1st year model with one year of production. A kid 45 years ago had or wanted one and it's supply and demand.

All of the H1 and H2 sales seemed high to me.  Z1 sales were similar to past years.

And now there is a big controversy.  Looks like the frame numbers were ground off.  The engine S/N may also be bogus.

  Yup, at this point it’s been classified a non sale because of no headstock numbers, ground off, and engine number area having a lip whereas the Japanese model had no lip riser.

The Z2 engine is essentially the same as the Z1 engine...just different bore and stroke.  But the same basic crank, cases, head, etc.  It was made for the Japan market where the maximum sized allowable engine was 750cc.  Production started after Z1 production and continued until (I think) 1976.  The same paint schemes were used on both models.  There were roughly 15,000 Z2 bikes made over that period. 

The boss used for engine numbers was raised, with no lip up until about S/N 27,000 for Z1 engines which would have been late 1973.  At around 34,000 they changed the font to the style on that Z2.  That change was made in early 1974 and it affected the second half of Z1A production.  I don't know for sure, but I would guess the Z2 engines changed around the same time.  Since the frame number is unknown it's impossible to know if the engine in that Z2 was original to that frame, or if someone put a later engine in an earlier frame.

I find it next to impossible to believe someone modified the frame number and expected the sale to go forward through a major auction house.  It's one of the first things an enthusiast would look at, particularly for Z1/Z2 bikes that were prone to be stolen.   But then again....crooks are seldom smarter than the general public.